tody's news showed us the real situetion of let say derty game of politics, for example

1.Travel advice to Omanis wishing to visit US

(The Foreign Ministry would like to draw the attention of Omani citizens wishing to travel to the United States that new US regulations on visa and registration of aliens visiting or residing in the United States will apply and that they may be subjected to questioning, security checks and fingerprinting and that they may be asked to register their personal information during their stay in the United States. Accordingly, Omani citizens may be subjected to discriminatory or inappropriate treatment. — ONA

in arabic newpaper, it has mentioned that the government of Oman realise and appreciate the circumstances of the US request in such situations.
which means 100% loyality

2.Oman will not participate in Iraq war (aljazeera news)
We already know that Oman has sent its troops to Kuwait in Dura' Aljazeera, to participate in the war, and we came to know that Oman role in this war is to supply american's & British air planes with oil (based on times magazine),.

it seems from this all, Oman give the 100% loyalty to US, even on the count of the citizens. and i can say that the Arab politics in general is already seperated from the religion and passing through the worse development.
what you gys can say?

Samaki

You will have to substantiate the above allegations. To be specific the allegations contained in paragraph 2.

samaki: some source links would be helpful....as not everyone knows those sources you mentioned.

samaki,

thx for your concern. but the Americans demand to scrutinize Omanis and the rest when entering the country, there, and Oman's stance in understanding the americans demand are justifiable. Any country, especially, in a situation like that of the United States today would indeed apply the same measures to safe guard its own security. In america they have tens of security agencies and it is only recently they have combined efforts to maintain internal security under one director with a ministerial rank. So to keep their records todate for alliens entiring their country they have to record each and every potential trouble maker. Thus Oman's stance about "understanding the americans request in such a situation", does not mean the Sultanate becomes subordinate to the yankees administration.

But Bushanab's demands are sensible, at least for this request, as any country in their position would do the same. The other point regarding Oman taking part on the war against Iraq. Well Oman does not support Bushes administration nor that of the British for their unilateral military action against Iraq.

If our soldiers are already in Kuwait then i personally don't see any problem since we have commitments towards our brothers in the GCC. Infact if our forces were not representing us in Kuwait you'd find me carrying my protesting board infront of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, demanding to know the reason why we are not standing beside our brothers in Kuwait at this very time.

We are not jews, to dishonor our commitments so if our troops are there the reasons of being there are legal and justified.

While there, we are not only to react against any attack on Kuwait but we shall be there to help monitoring any misbehaviour of troops that may use WMD etc etc. So our presence there is for humanitarian as well as our commitments towards our GCC brothers.

Indeed we are muslims but in Oman we do not want to mix religion with internationals' dirty politics.

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samaki
That’s very true, but this is the case with all Arabs countries not only Oman. Theatrically we Arabs are against the war, Practical we are supporting US and UK, who are going to invade Iraq. :duh: :duh: :duh: :lost:

you tell me, do we have commitments towards other GCC member states or not ?



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Originally posted by Mti
Samaki

You will have to substantiate the above allegations. To be specific the allegations contained in paragraph 2.

salam
Mr. mti & D.D
thanks for your passing and sorry for the delay
for the first parag. was copied from oman observer yesterday, 19/2/2003, it has also mentioned in all oman news papers, arabic version.

For the second parag. i am trying to get it now, but if you like more information about it please visit oman sabla
http://www.omania.net/avb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58338
there is you may get support for what i have mentioned. and i will try to get the right link very soon.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Desert_Sloath
[B]samaki,

Thus Oman's stance about "understanding the americans request in such a situation", does not mean the Sultanate becomes subordinate to the yankees administration.
fist thank you for your openion bro. i do agree with you in some parts, but what happened to USA, is subject to happen now everywhere, and lets be straight, because of the terrorism in USA, made USA either government and people to show us the hate, and this is generally to all arab esp.gulf countries. and becuase of that we should treat them the same way, whech it deosent mean that America looking for peace or American people are peacefull. so i can not agree with you in this point.


2. Oman does not support Bushes administration nor that of the British for their unilateral military action against Iraq.

i can say oman support the war against Iraq, either it is direct or indirect way, and i do call it support.

regarding our troops in Kuwait, what is your guess, their objective, it is a dirty american game. the same game played in turky and NATO, NATO will send militarial support to Turky, at the same time, Gulf countries will send troops to Kuwait. which will finally support USA war, and Iraq has no right to defend herself by hiting Turk or Kuwait.

3. We are not jews, to dishonor our commitments so if our troops are there the reasons of being there are legal and justified.

sorry brother to say yes we are, and the appreciation will go to USA, the father of the politics which is controlled by jews. we have a hand in killing our muslims brothers in Iraq, instead of that we should be in one hand not against each other, just to satisfy the big mama.

Finally i do agree that America and who behind her, play a dirt legal politics that can have abenifit of one side only. moreover the Arab politics especially in Oman will take another direction which may make silly to the citizen. and we still have hope this war might not occur.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Desert_Sloath
[B]you tell me, do we have commitments towards other GCC member states or not ?

of course we do, but this commitments should not be applied in such case, this war beween USA and Iraq, and USA make use of GCC countries as a bit

Originally posted by CunNinG
samaki
That’s very true, but this is the case with all Arabs countries not only Oman. Theatrically we Arabs are against the war, Practical we are supporting US and UK, who are going to invade Iraq. :duh: :duh: :duh: :lost:

thanks,
i believe you answered your question;)

At least you agree of our commitments towards our brothers in the GCC. That is good. And whilst that is so, then I do not see how we could be helping Anglo-American war directly or indirectly.

I agree with you, Anglo-American actions towards Iraq is serving the interests of both of them. But it is the Britishers who created the so called state of Israel and passed the tong to the Yankees to maintain that so called state at the price of the Palestinians. But regarding the Iraqi war, I feel not only sorry but sad for the people of Iraq.

I again agree with you that any military action against Iraqi people by the Anglo-American is an act of 'butchering of innocent Iraqi people. Oman including many free countries of the world are against this war. Iraqi administration knows what the game between themselves and Anglo-Americano means. We don't know much about those three badies. Only last night when i was watching the tv i realised what the Anglo-Americanos are skared of. That is the stage at which the Iraqi Military Industry has reached "al-Sumud". British and Americans know more than we arabs know about Iraqi military capabilities. Those sloth up there are not real sloths.

It is we here who can not even make buttons for our dischdashas who are real sloth. So those SUMUD are obviously giving the zionists sleepless nights. His Excellency, President, Lawyer SADDAM HUSSAIN has done a great job in creating are generation of technitians.

Indeed he made his nation achieve a step in technology but he miscalculated his political steps. Instead of invading the Arab League Charter he invaded little Kuwait. When the world was telling him to withdraw from Kuwait he refused what happened to him is the result of his actions.

To acuse Oman of helping Americans "direct or inderect" I do not agree with you on this point. We are an independent country therefore, mature enough to persue an independent decision. But what happened to Americans, as you say, it is there own doings when they encouraged young arab youths to fight their war in Afghanistan but with understimating the Afghanis themselves that once the SOVIET pulled out the country would bow to the yankees. So, you see samaki how you rightly call politics as a " dirty politic ". When SADDAM miscalculated he is being attacked by a quarter of the world governments and when BUSH and BLAIR miscalculate they want the entire world to stand by them.

BUSH himself is a rich oil dealer. If he wins this war, it is himself and may a few members of his administrations who will personally benefit but those soldiers once they return hom some are going to get a "disbandment" as they call it in american english.


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Thank you for your great interjection, and ithink we are getting closer in our ideas.

let me clarify one point here which is related to how oman support USA in this coming(wal i'yathu Billah) war.
i am not sure about your knowledge of oman role in Afghanistan, do you know that they used the air bases to bomb Afghanstan, this is for sure and well-known.
In this war, Oman will only support the USA with air-supply, in which the oil is the main thing, and therefore,currently i heard we have oil crisis in oman. and that what they call it indirect way of support, while i call it direct way.

Omani role in Afghanistan is news to me. The use of airspace? flying from Diego Garcia is possible but again it is not Oman itself on that.

Also the Omani oil crisis is news to me. I don't know what you mean by oil crisis.


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oil crisis, as i know the price of oil increase i am not quite sure perliter now but it raised. i am a broad where the hall you are D.S:D

There is NO oil crisis in Oman. There is NO crisis of any kind in Oman. People are busy nation building and following the fast steps of our blessed Renaissance. Think of miles and miles of tarmac road we built this year,the elecrification of villages, the water projects this year, the new schools and mosques and above all the long list of young men offered employment through the youth employment workshops initiated by MAWLANA. In short we are busy nation building.

Yes prices of petrol went up this year. By a very insiginificant margin. Just 2 baizas per litter. That translates into 140 baizas extra you would pay when you fill your car fuel tank that holds 70 litters. Samaki see the POSITIVE side of things that the government is doing and learn to apreciate it. Fuel your soul with patriotism and gear your energy towards the defence of your country its people and the Monarch. For always remeber Allah- Al watan- Al Sultan. Understood me? Because this is not the first time you came up with posts that portrays Oman negatively. I have had to answer you many times in the past. So I tell you this change your course and follow the the course that is set by the Blessed Renaissance for prosperity and greater Glory.

I rest my case.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mti
[B]There is NO oil crisis in Oman. There is NO crisis of any kind in Oman.
People are busy nation building and following the fast steps of our blessed Renaissance. Think of miles and miles of tarmac road we built this year,the elecrification of villages, the water projects this year, the new schools and mosques and above all the long list of young men offered employment through the youth employment workshops initiated by MAWLANA. In short we are busy nation building.

Yes prices of petrol went up this year. By a very insiginificant margin. Just 2 baizas per litter. That translates into 140 baizas extra you would pay when you fill your car fuel tank that holds 70 litters. Samaki see the POSITIVE side of things that the government is doing and learn to apreciate it. Fuel your soul with patriotism and gear your energy towards the defence of your country its people and the Monarch. For always remeber Allah- Al watan- Al Sultan. Understood me? Because this is not the first time you came up with posts that portrays Oman negatively. I have had to answer you many times in the past. So I tell you this change your course and follow the the course that is set by the Blessed Renaissance for prosperity and greater Glory

1. Mti, thanks for showing up your points here, and if i have to say something at the begining, i have to say please Dont look at the matters from the surface and Dont only evaluate any book from its title. If you are really politics you should crtisize and critisize, but your politics interest only look at only one side which is the government, and you forget the people. if you are happy in your life and have nothing to complain then you should go to the street and talk to people how they feel.

2. You should know and this a fact, that in any country in the world have a crisis, and there is no country wothout crisis. and the country you are talking about, i may call it country of mti dreams.

3.talking about roads, schools, mosque, water, electr., these are called infrastructure, and the goverment goes through this based on a schdualed polanning, so all this are foundamentals.
The only thing i could agree with you here is a sanad project, even this one still facing alot of problems, and thats why i asked you to go deep and explore the negative and positive of this project, but i have to say we still need time to evaluate it.

4. I like what you said (WE ARE BUSY), are you represnting the government here, please mti , take it easy and try to look thing from all the sides.

5. first i will correct your ifo. not 2 biaza, 20 biaze, how zero can be forgetable. as long as there an increase even if it is a minor, it means there is a problem, and we should be concerned and worried about it, and if you dont want to call it crisis, i will say is the begining of the crisis.

6. here i will say thank you to remind me with positive side, and i tried but i can not forget the negative side, and here we are trying to talk abut the negatives and what kind of ideas, openion members can raise, we think not for me or for you we think for our coming generations and next generation, and here i will ask you to say loudly about the problems that we have in Oman and what kind of solutions we look for.

7. again i will say to you, take it easy, and if you are iaming to be a politician you should be politician in your answers, hoping that you are not trying to learn or your interest is derty politics.

I hope you got my massage, Wallaahu Akbar, Walillahi Alhamd

Samaki

When I said " We are busy " nation building I meant " We the people of Oman " I never told you I represent this or that I am talking as an Omani and this is my land and I have all the right in the world to pin point to you what is fact and what is not.

Further more talking about the word "government" its upto you to go deeper and understand the meaning. Listen samaki, The government is not some unseen diety up in the sky that perches in the clouds. No. The Government is you and I. The government is a group of good doers consisting your brothers and sisters who toil day in day out to serve the nation and fullfil their duties You and I delegated to them.

Therefore it is our government and it is our country and We should defend it at all the time. We should not go round portraying it negatively as if it is not ours. We should not talk ill of it. We should not tarnish its good name. We should support the government and give it a helping hand whenever we can.

The petrol price increase is 2 baiza and NOT 20 baiza. Always try and have your facts right and do not rely on sawalfa and Idle gossip. I very well know whats happening around and the man on the street in our country is happy and content for he sees all round him what the blessed Renaissance and the government is doing for him and appreciates it very much.

Samaki, Are really an Omani? Or just a foriegner who is trying to cause a disafection between the people in our country? I doubt if you are an Omani cause no one who cares for his country comes up with negative posts that tries to discredit his homeland now and then by portraying all efforts of nation building negatively.

Allah Al Watan Al Sultan

I think Oman policy not clear enough they avoid everything, even with USA or with Arabic country

Originally posted by face_off
I think Oman policy not clear enough they avoid everything, even with USA or with Arabic country

what do you mean by avoid??????????????????//

Oman is more than client state to us/uk.
I have attached for you some facts from global security website.

www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/020114-attack01.htm
WorldNetDaily.com January 14, 2002
Oman open to closer U.S. military ties
The government of Oman is cutting its defense budget and shifting more funds into social services as part of an effort to quell domestic opposition to its cooperation with the United States. Reducing the threat of unrest will clear the way for greater military ties with Washington, which may be considering further options in the region for conducting its campaign against terrorism.

Oman, a key U.S. ally in the Middle East, is adjusting its budget to reflect its assistance to Washington's war on terror. But the oil-rich sultanate actually is reducing defense funding and shifting the savings into social welfare programs, Middle East Newsline reported.

Unlike many other governments in the region, Oman's regime has faced relatively little domestic opposition to its relationship with the United States. This is largely due to strong oil revenues and an extremely tolerant local strain of Islam. Even so, it appears the Omani leadership is investing in preventative measures to keep a lid on unrest, knowing that Washington will guarantee its external security.

By addressing domestic security before it becomes an issue, Oman hopes to avoid the problems faced by neighboring Saudi Arabia, where extremist Muslims actively oppose the basing of U.S. military forces there. A pacified population will allow the Omani government to deepen its involvement with the U.S. military, which likely is re-examining its options in the anti-terror campaign.

Roughly the same size as Kansas, Oman depends on oil and gas revenues to support the government and its 2.6 million citizens. The ruling regime is very close to the United States and the United Kingdom. Washington has maintained a presence there for at least two decades, and British support was critical when Sultan Qaboos bin Said seized power from his father in 1970.

Since that time, Oman has served as a logistics and intelligence center for U.S. operations in the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea. The country hosted a massive joint exercise with the British armed forces in September that was planned before the attacks that month. The exercise included 22,000 British troops, several warships and an aircraft carrier.

The U.S. military currently uses at least three air bases in Oman as part of operations in Afghanistan, according to GlobalSecurity.org. The Navy runs P-3 Orion aircraft patrols out of the Masirah air base, where at least one squadron of AC-130 gunships is based as well. Oman also hosts several Air Force pre-positioning sites, with enough equipment and fuel to maintain three air bases and 26,000 support personnel.

Its tight relationship with the American and British governments gives Oman protection in the case of a foreign attack. The regime doubtless then feels comfortable presenting a 2002 defense budget that is about 6 percent lower than the previous year and which shifts $100 million into social welfare programs. The money would be allocated to employment programs, including one to hire 1,000 Omani nationals to help run the energy sector.

Doling out jobs is a time-honored way for an endangered regime to buy political loyalty. But the Omani government still appears to face very little domestic opposition. Its oil revenues continue to flow, the local strain of Islam is much more tolerant than elsewhere in the region and the government security services are very efficient.

Shiites make up a disaffected and economically underprivileged minority but have made no known attempts at organizing. A Muslim Brotherhood movement was broken up in 1995, and the government allowed about 1,000 students to march peacefully against Israel this fall. But these episodes appear to be the exception, not the rule.

Instead, the job programs seem to be insurance to guarantee that dissent remains a distant threat.

If Oman can guarantee a stable population, it may position itself as an alternative to U.S. bases in Saudi Arabia. Rising unemployment is fueling extremist-Muslim opposition to the Saudi government, which put severe limitations on the U.S. air operations in Afghanistan, as well as Operation Southern Watch in Iraq, due to fears of anti-U.S. unrest.

But the Omani government, while cautious, has allowed AC-130 sorties on a regular basis. And more social programs might guarantee the stability necessary for a larger U.S. commitment. Washington would still keep a military presence in Saudi Arabia to defend that country against Iraq. But offensive air operations for the region could be based out of Oman, which is actually closer to hot spots like Afghanistan and Yemen.

Further down the road, Oman could become the primary base for U.S naval vessels as well. The U.S. 5th Fleet – tasked with protecting the Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz – is based in Bahrain. But the proliferation of land-based anti-ship missiles and small attack craft is making the Gulf an increasingly dangerous place to base large ships. Putting the fleet at a location right outside the Gulf, like the Omani port of Muscat, would allow the Navy to control access to the area with less danger to its ships.

The Omani government has several reasons to allow more bases. Not only would the regime cement its relationship with its sponsors in Washington and London, it could pick up a financial windfall as well. A large U.S. air base or port would pour billions of dollars a year into the country and diversify an economy based almost entirely on oil revenues.



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© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

thank you oldtimer for sharing this information with us.

No direct link for source and breaking sabla rules ... be careful ........

Edited by desert destroyer

An Edited Quote

edited by desert destroyer

for a deprived knowledge seeker sloath, i wonder what was said to warrant such action probably initiated by the confirmer ?!



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Well DD ... i dont think that every single thing i wrote diserves being edited ... after all I believe that we are supposed to have freedom in expressing our thoughts in Oman.
What i did is somehow a comparison between the Imamat and the Sultanate.

Read the following .. and this time i will not comment !

The U.S. military currently uses at least three air bases in Oman as part of operations in Afghanistan,

Ok, now I understand why it was edited!
Well... I want to express my feelings as well, I know there is something fishy going on, and it doesnt smell nice ( if I could say :P)!
I am not happy with what is happeneing, and do not accept it.
Cant say more, because i dont know much.

Policy you said !!!!
Hmmm bending backwards meaning Yes sir three times fool !!! Now that is not only here its everywhere so the guilt is shared by the ones who have the power and decsion of their peoples fate ..if you try to cross it be careful you will be snatched and covered with a sack of empty rice bag on your head heading to God knows where .
As these days any Arab /Muslim who thinks of protesting officially is sent to the American bases labled as a terrorist by their own Governments for further .........

I feel pity on you.

Originally posted by shamsery
I feel pity on you.

Feel pity on me !!! could you be more specific or is it that you can not comment on my post( which is the reality) .