Plain Truth
18-02-03, 11:34 AM
Please read the following link
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/16/opinion/16FRIE.html?8hpib
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/16/opinion/16FRIE.html?8hpib
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View Full Version : Arabs & the Mafia Plain Truth 18-02-03, 11:34 AM Please read the following link http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/16/opinion/16FRIE.html?8hpib 4-ever-young 18-02-03, 12:01 PM plain turth all i get is the page to sign up for NY times!! :lost: shamsery 18-02-03, 12:14 PM How long you will be liked to address in this way? DeSerTDesTroYeR 18-02-03, 12:43 PM Plain Truth: if you would like to explain more on that...as the link..is not direct .....and would be appreciated if you would post something about it beside the link... Plain Truth 18-02-03, 01:03 PM the article OP-ED COLUMNIST Peking Duct Tape By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN fter a recent U.N. session on the Iraq crisis, I asked a Bush aide how China was behaving. "The Chinese?" the official said. "They don't think they have a dog in this fight." That certainly is how China is behaving as if this whole issue were for America to resolve. That is a deeply mistaken view, and it shows how little China (not to mention France and Russia) understands about the new world order. If I were explaining it to China's leaders, here's what I would say: Friends, with every great world war has come a new security system. World War I gave birth to the League of Nations and an attempt to recreate a balance of power in Europe, which proved unstable. World War II gave birth to the U.N., NATO, the I.M.F. and the bipolar American-Soviet power structure, which proved to be quite stable until the end of the cold war. Now, 9/11 has set off World War III, and it, too, is defining a new international order. The new world system is also bipolar, but instead of being divided between East and West, it is divided between the World of Order and the World of Disorder. The World of Order is built on four pillars: the U.S., E.U.-Russia, India and China, along with all the smaller powers around them. The World of Disorder comprises failed states (such as Liberia), rogue states (Iraq and North Korea), messy states states that are too big to fail but too messy to work (Pakistan, Colombia, Indonesia, many Arab and African states) and finally the terrorist and mafia networks that feed off the World of Disorder. There has always been a World of Disorder, but what makes it more dangerous today is that in a networked universe, with widely diffused technologies, open borders and a highly integrated global financial and Internet system, very small groups of people can amass huge amounts of power to disrupt the World of Order. Individuals can become super-empowered. In many ways, 9/11 marked the first full-scale battle between a superpower and a small band of super-empowered angry men from the World of Disorder. The job of the four pillars of the World of Order is to work together to help stabilize and lift up the World of Disorder. Unfortunately, China doesn't seem to realize that. You (like some Bushies) still have a lot of cold war reflexes. Indeed, some Chinese intellectuals, not to mention French and Russian, actually believe you all have more to fear from American power than from Osama, Kim or Saddam. That's nuts. If America has to manage the World of Disorder alone, the American people will quickly tire. And as Michael Mandelbaum, the Johns Hopkins foreign policy expert, notes, "The real threat to world stability is not too much American power. It is too little American power." Too little American power will only lead to the World of Disorder expanding. China has to think clearly. If there is just one more 9/11, or if North Korea lobs just one missile our way, it will lead to the end of the open society in America, as we know it, and also constrict globalization. Because we will tighten our borders, triple-check every ship that comes into port and restrict civil liberties as never before, and this will slow the whole global economy. Now the last time I checked, China had decided to base its growth on manufacturing for the global market and in particular for the U.S. market, where you now send 40 percent of your exports 40 percent! and where you just racked up a $100 billion trade surplus. One more 9/11 and your growth strategy will be in real trouble (unless you plan on only exporting duct tape), which means the Chinese leadership will be in real trouble. So, you still think you don't have a dog in this fight? You still think you can be free riders on an Iraq war? You still think you can leave us to carry the burden of North Korea? Well, guess again. You need to get serious. It is quite legitimate for China to oppose war in Iraq or North Korea. But why isn't China's foreign minister going to Baghdad and Pyongyang, slamming his fist on tables and demanding that their leaders start complying with the U.N. to avoid war? I understand you don't want us to be impulsive, but why are you so passive? One more 9/11, one bad Iraq war that ties America down alone in the Middle East and saps its strength, well, that may go over well with the cold warriors in the People's Liberation Army, but in the real world in the world where your real threat is not American troops crossing your borders but American dollars fleeing from them you will be out of business. Now which part of that sentence don't you understand? 4-ever-young 18-02-03, 01:08 PM plain truth i think u got it wrong..what we meant is that we didnt get to read the article from the link u posted above..because all we got is the page to sign up to become a member at the NY time..i guess to view the article u have to be a member! DeSerTDesTroYeR 18-02-03, 01:30 PM hmm...interesting article......but whats its link to the title you choose?..am just wondering.. beside.....it would of been nice if you gave us your opinion about that article..:) and i would agree with 4-ever-young.... we merely were wondering whats the article...as you are aware the link isnt direct... thx...for posting the article. Plain Truth 19-02-03, 10:09 AM *First of all, I would like to apologize, but the link is working perfectly fine with me. .... May be you guys should be members to the N.Y. Times. It is free 100%. I swear that is where I got the article. *Second, some questioned the article and the title. in my not so humble opinion, the title I have suggested is the most suitable and I will explain why: .As stated by the very famous columnist THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN the world is still divided between order and system such as the USA and disorder and shamble such as most of the Arabic countries and the mafia and terrorist. .Such statement, that is to include the Arabic countries and the mafia and terrorist in one wagon obviously shock so many people, especially the Arabs. .But think about it you have no freedom of opinion, people are not equal under the law, no freedom of thought, any participation in the decision making does not exist, and the list is very long. For people like THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN such system exist in criminal organizations such as the mafia and the like That is why I think the title I suggested is most appropraite!!!!!! Plain Truth 19-02-03, 11:12 AM """.But think about it
you have no freedom of opinion, people are not equal under the law, no freedom of thought, any participation in the decision making does not exist,
and the list is very long. For people like THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN such system exist in criminal organizations such as the mafia and the like That is why I think the title I suggested is most appropraite!!!""" TOO HARD TO DIGEST, IS IT NOT????? Middle East 19-02-03, 11:15 AM Firstly, NY TIME is controlled by a jewish media, which means, you will get biased news. Secondly, THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN, check his last name Fried"MAN", which has "MAN" being a jew himself. Is the person who is working on the Middle East foriegn Policies. I've visited few of his lectures at states. When it comes to being a speaker and cool, he is the one heck of guy, as in really good. But unfortunatly, he is biased fully. As I've heard from his speaches, he just tells one side of a story as any other reporter. Plain Truth 19-02-03, 12:07 PM · the issue is not N.Y. Times and who is controlling it. Nor the writer of the article. ·It is how the USA perceives us, even if that perception is the result of the Jewish propaganda. Secondly, what is the result of it? How is it affecting us? ·I am convinced that the Jews have done their homework in winning the USA hearts and minds. Maybe we ought to work on that too. I am also convinced that we should work as well on, quote again: But think about it you have no freedom of opinion, people are not equal under the law, no freedom of thought, any participation in the decision making does not exist, and the list is very long." DeSerTDesTroYeR 19-02-03, 01:38 PM Plain Truth: you cant expect members to subscribe to the N.Y Times..to read that article...thats the only point ...of having an indirect link....over all..as you posted it....there is no worries. about the title..now you explained..makes sense why its choosen...and its not suprising....alot of different things been combined under the same categories.... ---------------- ok now about the article...... there are some good points..and others i would slightly disagree.....as it seems..its all absolute....no freedom..no quality....no no no..etc........thats quite not right... there are huge differences...between...how it was and how it is going.... its the same..case with most other countries..while they are developing.....and beside all that...not everyone would agree on the same meaning for freedom....soo it varies. |