Have you noticed, when Powell was presenting his so called evidence on Iraq at the UN.

British Foreign Minister sliped onto Powell a less than full page evidence against Iraq.

The so called convincing evidence presented at the briefing of the supposed to be matured, political minded, representatives of several nations, turned be a concoction or fabrication of a highest degree, obtained by the so called secret institutions of both America and England. The information more than 13 years ago, in fact was the work of an Iraqi student living in San Fransisco named Ibrahim Marashi ?

What is happening to these super power nations ?

Is Britain and America becoming frustrated of something ?

Mr Marashi is very upset and Britain has apologised for not crediting him with the information which they thought would pass unquestioned at the so called UN Security Council.

Why both British and American administrations should lie ?

There are French, China and Russia including other nations at the gathering in the UN Hqs and each of these would have information of their own that supports or refutes those of Britain and American sources. The question is why would America and Britain come up with 'chicken evidence' at, a place like this, occasion like this ?

The very lives of innocent Iraqis, American and British soldiers are at stake ?

In whose interest then are such lies supposed to work ?

What do you honorable members of the respectable sablah think of such behaviour ?


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No evidence is needed to America. They do not want to occupy Iraqi land; they need an obedient and puppet government in Iraq. So, they are asking to quit Saddam.
Among the EC member France and Germany has taken different stand from Britain. Unities of EC are in threat. America needs it.

D.S, you are completely right, yes it is checkin evidence and the people who belive it are at the same type of organism.
any way it came im my mind the statement, today's friends, tomorrow threats. if we back during 80's how america and england support iraq and compare it with now days like the difference beween sky and earth.
anyway this war going to happen unless god wishes can stopp it, russia, france and others are just cooking the game in an excellent way, to make the meal (iraq invention) delishghous). we ask from Allah to make all this situation in good way and what allah wish we wish

I am amazed indeed I am ..Why both British and American administrations should lie ?

A drowning man catches the last straw ...Thats your answer MR Desert Sloth .


The very lives of innocent Iraqis, American and British soldiers are at stake ?

American policy is smoke them out even if its gonna kill couple of hundred thousands American to serve the couple of million Americans .. Aint that their policy ?

Originally posted by Dark Project

to serve the couple of million Americans .. Aint that their policy ? [/B]

D_P,

To be honest, I am lost by their policy.

An American Sargent returning from Afghanistan is diverted to Iraq. This guy is a father of two little souls, a son and a daughter. In a sad, but confident tone he answers a journalist, that " this is the wish of his commanders and he is serving the constitution ".

If the Sargent's statement is so, then we differ a lot with both the British and the Americans not only with our arabic writing from right to left but even on the very understanding of the meaning of 'constitution'.

My definition of constitution where by military action is concerned would go like this:

~in an event of foreign military invation of a free nation, all nationals of that nation, notwithstanding their internal differences, it is their national duty to face the external force and destroy it at any cost~.

Now, where does america or british administrations fit at this point in time. Not only the secretary general of the UNO is against the war on Iraq, but the entire world community.

Bush, the present head of american administration is known to be an oil businessman. Iraq and this part of the world in general are rich in the oil resource. These oil traders have been draining our oil at a cheaper price and sell it to the world at collosal price tag. So in reality both, Bush the father and the son stand to benefit on ceasing our oil for a longer time more than does an ordinary american citizen whose son is being expended on foreign wars.

Could anyone enlighten us why it is so, that american administrations and now british are terrorising the world including their own citizens ?


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What a shame on such a powerful nation!!!
Their formal report turns to be a research done by a student!!!

Moreover!! it was like a copy paste thingie!! even the grammer mistakes weren't corrected!! just as it was!!!!

Oh well what would the american evidence turn to be???
Powell's before sleeping stories?!?!?

Can you imagine ?


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Can you provide a link to the information you are alluding to (in English, please)? I'd like to read about it before commenting.

D-S, how would a Texas oil producer make money by ensuring that oil can be bought cheaper elsewhere than from his own oil wells? If the Bush's want to make more money selling their own oil it would make more sense to simply continue boycott of Iraqi oil and keep foreign supplies scarce and expensive... driving up the price and demand for THEIR product.

MoonChild can you deny Bush the father and Barbara never weeped when Clinton worn the presidency by the 'landslide' vote ?


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America needs absolute control on oil supply. American economy depends on the uninterrupted supply of oil from Middle East.
They consider Saddam may be main obstacle to their interest.
So, America wants the removal of Saddam.
They don’t need Iraqi land.
They need a puppet Government there.
That installed Government will be dedicated for Anglo American interest.

Russia, France & Germany is opposing for there own interest.
This is the inner contradiction among the imperialist power. Though Russia is not a member of EEU but they are with EEU members at the moment. Few EEU members’ countries are opposing France and Germany. A sharp division has been created on the issue. America is not happy with EEU. This will be a great achievement for America if EEU breaks.
America has multi ambition based on Saddam.

still waiting for that link.

D_S, your facility for irrelevent commentary is endless.

Originally posted by shamsery

They consider Saddam may be main obstacle to their interest.
So, America wants the removal of Saddam.
... That installed Government will be dedicated for Anglo American interest.


You are conveniently forgetting a little trouble Saddam caused over Kuwait in your analysis.

He who does the work gets the reward - if your leaders changed the Iraqi government, they could decide who to empower. Would it, in your wildest imagination, be a democratic government that would be installed by your leaders ?

:rolleyes:

Moonchild: u might find this link useful British fraud evidence (http://www.malaysiakini.com/opinionsfeatures/200302100041009.php)

Well, I find it interesting that the headline on the link you provided is "Evidence against Iraq ‘manufactured’ by West", but the article itself merely says that part of the British dossier was collected from academic articles (as opposed to intelligence sources).

To call the whole thing a fabrication is kind of silly - as the article in question may be absolutely correct. It's just embarrassing that the Brits plagiarized for information... give them an F and make them take Military Intelligence 101 over :rolleyes:

The same website has an article that states "The United States (US) will not abandon its plan to attack Iraq even if President Saddam Hussein steps down." If you read further, however, this is the OPINION of the Iraqi ambassador to Malaysia - hardly the best source of information on that subject! It's obvious that this media source isn't exactly making a point of unbiased reporting...

Originally posted by EviliO
:rolleyes:

Moonchild: u might find this link useful British fraud evidence (http://www.malaysiakini.com/opinionsfeatures/200302100041009.php)


Thanx EviliO for mobilizing materials. I'd like to add here for further interests that MoonChield dig more on Ibrahim Marashi from CNN.COM resources on the subject.

But recent history of the Western Intelligence Sources proves the fact that those institutions ought to undergo a severe surgery, in order to bring them at par with the world's status quo. Those institutions have had a card blanche for their behaviour for so long and it is high time now they are scrutinised by their own countries. I think a little 'more' of transparency in their spending and authenticity is long time over-due.


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Academic papers can be a legitimate source of intelligence material - perhaps not for the detail or facts, but for an interpretation of what they could mean.

Analysis counts.

Originally posted by Wanderer
Academic papers can be a legitimate source of intelligence material - perhaps not for the detail or facts, but for an interpretation of what they could mean.

Analysis counts.

Indeed .... specially if it is 13 years old reserach and from a student ( Iraqi may I add) Give me a break !!

What was the information cited, DP ?


I was speaking in generalities, but ... let's discuss the merits of the actual information from the student's paper.

Or have you no clue as to what that information is?

Originally posted by Wanderer
What was the information cited, DP ?


I was speaking in generalities, but ... let's discuss the merits of the actual information from the student's paper.

Or have you no clue as to what that information is?

To be honest No I dont have any clue ..But as far as all the Westeren Media ( Im talking about the BBC and our Media ) they have stated the same which they satated that the information was the work of an Iraqi student living in San Fransisco named Ibrahim Marashi which was written more than 13 years ago.
If you have such information I would be more than happy if you can share it here.

Originally posted by Dark Project
To be honest No I dont have any clue ..

Then perhaps it's a bit premature to dismiss it as of use to the intelligence community.

Though I would agree that the authors should be slapped for plagarizing the man's work and the accuracy/validity of the documents using the materials should be suspect.

Another point I should correct you on is that the work plagerized, "Iraq's Security and Intelligence Network: A Guide and Analysis", by Ibrahim al-Marashi, is current as of 2002.
Heres a link to it: http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2002/issue3/jv6n3a1.html

Some of the material al-Marashi used in writing his analysis is 12 years old, not his document.

Here is what the editor of MERIA (Middle East Review of International Affairs) has to say about information plagiarezed by the British govt. from their journal:

"The fact is that the articles by Mr. Marashi and our other authors are highly accurate, insightful, original, and extremely timely. ...

For a free subscription, of course, one need only write gloria@idc.ac.il and to see all MERIA Journal articles--including those not yet republished as statements of British policy--visit http://meria.idc.ac.il."


LOL!!!

Moonchild.....

Thats a zionist source........ not trustworthy at all... for me :)

My goodness! What on earth is a nice Iraqi fellow like Mr. Marashi doing consorting with Zionists? Well then, obviously the entire article is a fabrication.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I dunno really!!!!

Though i don't agreee with ya :rolleyes:

I don't trust the SOURCE given above in ur post ;)
The article... can be sourced i guess ;)

Originally posted by MoonChild
Here is what the editor of MERIA (Middle East Review of International Affairs) has to say about information plagiarezed by the British govt. from their journal:

"The fact is that the articles by Mr. Marashi and our other authors are highly accurate, insightful, original, and extremely timely. ...

For a free subscription, of course, one need only write gloria@idc.ac.il and to see all MERIA Journal articles--including those not yet republished as statements of British policy--visit http://meria.idc.ac.il."


LOL!!!

Thanks Moon for the effort but some how the page has expired :(