In another thread, Neo wrote
"Just imagine UN loose their credebility. Its like having a license to kill. No one would consult the UN anymore. And this war that we are all concerned off, would be like nothing to what would happened in the future."

The idea of an international organization to settle crises peacefully is quite recent - beginning with the International Peace Conference in 1899. The League of Nations was established in 1919 after WWI, but it lacked "teeth" and was impotent against Hitler's plans for European/world domination. After WWII the United Nations was established - only 50 years ago.

I don't think that Bad Guys with the intent to conquer other lands would ever submit their request to the UN - of course the answer would be No! The purpose of the UN is for to generate global consensus to react to the Bad Guys when they do Bad Things.

The interesting trend in global warfare since the establishment of the UN is that rather than countries trying to conquer other countries as in millenia past, countries are embroiled in civil wars and splitting into smaller and smaller, ethnically uniform states. These little wars are every bit as vicious as previous ones, but garner less attention because it's perceived as an internal problem not an external one. The UN condemns human rights violations but how much can they really do when it occurs within the borders of an existing country? How much SHOULD they do?

My concern was towards the States not taking UN blessing when going to a war with Iraq. They may think they have the power to do that. But they will loose their diplomatic ties, and put them back at least 15years.

United States is an empire, like any other empire we used to know. The British, Germany even going back decades during the Ottoman empires.

Each and every empires were defeated according to their time and resources. BUT as far as the states is concerned, the only why I see this empire going down is when most of the super powers sees it as a bully. And defying UN and the rest of countries with a VETO power would be like committing a very slow suicide.

Although you see alot of violent around the world these days, but rest be assured, without the UN it could be worst

United Nation should remain a center of major decisions, and the states should respect it. Otherwise, I am afraid they are digging their own graves. Or we would be expecting the sum of all fears, a nuclear war

Why do you call US an empire?

Do you see the UN as the beginning of a world government, and is this good or bad?

Originally posted by Neo
United States is an empire, like any other empire we used to know. The British, Germany even going back decades during the Ottoman empires.

I note that you have not submitted the required tithings and taxes to your Imperial governement - your duty as described in the Imperialist Operations Handbook.

Please sent 20% of your money to:

Imperial USA
Collections from Little People of Conquered Lands
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, D.C.
USA

It is an empire, in a sense its powerful both Military and Economical wise. And to remain in such state is for them not **** people off, or to bully people off. Like going ahead with this war without the UN approval. And I think the US starts to realize that, and that is why they are seeking for a second UN resolution.

And furthermore, I thought the whole purpose of UN is to act as the world government. Do you forsee it differently?.

Hans Vanderer as always plays down this thread.

Of course you are not expected to know everything that your administration does.

Your tax presentation sounds sarcastic but the truth is 'since America and Britain' to be in the region is "to protect their interests" that then in a way is a tax somehow being collected of "Little People of Conqured Lands".

Yes America is the Imperial's Pony or Donkey should I say ?



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Dear Mr. Wanderer,
Your following comments to Arabs are rude and cruel.

“Arabs should be ashamed that they had to beg the USA to protect them from a threat from one of their own. With all of their weapons purchases and posturing, the Arabs were still powerless to deal with the problem. Now, I fear, blinded by pride in a long vanished glorious past, a fictitious brotherhood in Islam, and denial of their own inadequacies, they cannot even see that the threat remains.”

Please note that there is no fictitious brotherhood in Islam. It is we the people, who have failed to practice the philosophy.

Moreover I request you to see the things from other direction. Why this disunity? What is the role of the common people of the peninsula? Who are behind the iron hand rulers?
Lot of questions are there.

Moonchild you siad Value of the UN ? Or Values of the UN if they have any ?
To be honest I dont think that UN can resolve any issues But petty ones .
After all who is controling UN ????

Originally posted by shamsery
[B]Dear Mr. Wanderer,
Your following comments to Arabs are rude and cruel.

“Arabs should be ashamed that they had to beg the USA to protect them from a threat from one of their own. With all of their weapons purchases and posturing, the Arabs were still powerless to deal with the problem. Now, I fear, blinded by pride in a long vanished glorious past, a fictitious brotherhood in Islam, and denial of their own inadequacies, they cannot even see that the threat remains.”



Could moderators please split Hans Vanderers signature from this thread for further discussions ?

Mr shamsery thank you for highliting the subject. I was going to comment on it but you have beaten me on it.

I think Hans Vanderers comments are not rude as such but motivated by his desire to test arabs' reaction or ' impotence ' to do so.

It would be interesting to discuss ' it ' in depth. Especially since it comes ' direct from the horses mouth '.


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Originally posted by Neo
It is an empire, in a sense its powerful both Military and Economical wise. And to remain in such state is for them not **** people off, or to bully people off.

Then it differs in that it doesn't make colonies of "lesser" states as the European states you mentioned, as well as the Japanese did, in centuries past .

Originally posted by Neo

And furthermore, I thought the whole purpose of UN is to act as the world government. Do you forsee it differently?.

Differently.

The UN was established as a forum to air grievances and gain international approval for solutions. In practice, it has become a brokerage for money from western states to aid despots in the third world.

The UN doesn't and cannot have authority over the US constitution for instance.

Originally posted by shamsery
Dear Mr. Wanderer,
Your following comments to Arabs are rude and cruel.

Yet no claim is made that they are untrue.

Calls by another to have it censored, while allowing Navy_Boy's to remain are an example of a dual standard.

Originally posted by Wanderer

Yet no claim is made that they are untrue.

remain are an example of a dual standard.

At least here you get a feeling of 'double standard'. How is it ?


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Originally posted by Desert_Sloath
At least here you get a feeling of 'double standard'. How is it ?


When my complaints of a tagline advocating violence against a group fell on deaf ears, I was free to change mine to a rather pointed commentary.

Now look who complains.

But I still don't advocate violence against Arabs or Muslims.

How does it feel to once again be caught supporting the wrong guy, Desert Failure ?

:rolleyes:

Oooooh c'mon
Can't u see ppl!? he wanna be famous!?
He is the Smart guy after all isn't he? :rolleyes:
He knows everything as it seems.... !! :wink:

Originally posted by Wanderer
When my complaints of a tagline advocating violence against a group fell on deaf ears, I was free to change mine to a rather pointed commentary.

Now look who complains.

But I still don't advocate violence against Arabs or Muslims.

How does it feel to once again be caught supporting the wrong guy, Desert Failure ?


I like your choice of words.

Precisely, i must say : 'dual standard', 'complaint falling over deaf ears'. You tell 'us' how does it " feel 2b caught supporting the wrong guy ". Am beggining to feel, that you are not American after all. Habibi, if you are a Southern African, watch out your steps otherwise uncle Sam wont hesitate to impose sanction on you. You NO longer mean anything to him. You are simply a 3rd world and not any more nuclear power. Those nice words, your signature inclusive, I can not imagine comming from an American robitc human being.

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I don’t know from when Mr. Wanderer using this signature. He is not only qualified gentleman rather over qualified. I expect that he will give a second thought on his own signature.
Dear D S,
It is not a point that who has pointed it first. I wander how you can overlook or ignore this.Hope good numbers of Arab visit the site every day.