The USA asked the KSA to evacuate the area from any Muslims who came to perform the pilgrim of haj within 5 days after completing it. The USA expects to hit Iraq on the 14th of February. More Gulf planes and are willing to take extra trips to evacuate mecca within those 5 days.


I had read that in Oman News papers as well as Watan in Arabic, its amazing how I cant find it on the English version of Oman Observer!

What do you have to say about this?

Now the people are even forced to leave the holly place because it’s a direct command from the American Government!

Whats on Omania.net (http://www.omania.net/avb/showthread.php?threadid=55492) about this topic.

Oh Great!!!! so whats next? Stop reading the Quran? stop making supplications unless those written by the American goverment and have been approved by them????

Originally posted by Deep Ocean

Now the people are even forced to leave the holly place because it’s a direct command from the American Government!

"You most holy place are belong to us".


Soon there will be an entrance fee in US dollars or British pounds - the need for Euro's is in doubt with France's and Germany' unwillingness to do that which must be done.

On the bright side, one may soon be able to snack on a McHajj as one circumambulates the Kabaa.

http://www.mcdonalds.com/img/mc_logo_med_bak.gif

Wanderer, what are you on about? and why do you have to be so nasty? Is your little son giving you more white hair or what? your statement is of a disgrace!

Originally posted by SoMe1
Wanderer, what are you on about? and why do you have to be so nasty? Is your little son giving you more white hair or what? your statement is of a disgrace!

Actually I find it a balanced response to the anti-American yipping I'm reading in this thread. :rolleyes:

Show me where and how Americans are interfering with the Haj; show me where there is any discussion by Americans on limiting your religious practices.

If we have that much power and those designs, doesn't it make sense that we'd capitalize on the situation and install our fast food restaurants at your most holy site ? :eek:

Well deep ocean did mention his sources didn't he :rolleyes:

And am asking u for the sources of the mchajj and the stuff u mentioned!
Otherwise it should be considered a religious harassment that need to be looked at :wink:

Deep Ocean: quite an important topic...but i would ask for your source... you mentioned some newspapers, would you add the links to this specific article.

From Arab new sources -

"Interior Minister Prince Naif yesterday warned terrorist organizations wanting to undermine security during the Haj season that they will be countered “with an iron fist.”

“Our security precautionary measures for Haj this year are of the highest order,” said Prince Naif, who is also chairman of the Supreme Haj Committee.

“It was not taken as a result of foreign pressure,” he insisted.

source: http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=22563


"Extension of Haj visas is not possible except on strong medical grounds subject to the Ministry of Haj’s approval. A period of up to 45 days validity is stamped on a pilgrim’s visa specifying dates of arrival and departure.

The Ministry of Haj has declared that all incoming pilgrims must return by Moharram 10 (March 13)."

source:http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=22550

So, Deep Ocean, Some1, and Evilio, let's see your material supporting your contention that the US is mandating policy in KSA.

I managed to get my hands on the source.... here it is

Alwatan (http://www.alwatan.com/heads/ft4.htm)

Sorry nonarabic readers as i couldn't find an english article.

still waiting for ur source wanderer concerning the MCHAJJ!!!.

Originally posted by EviliO
still waiting for ur source wanderer concerning the MCHAJJ!!!.

You are easily misled aren't you, Evilio ?

The al-Watan exerpt does not mention 'evacuation' nor 'american' nose pocking into the affairs of the-Hajj. The contents of whose fails to confirm Deep Ocean's statement of specifications of evactuations.

But this does not necessarily render Hans Vanderer clean from a possible nose pocking. As Hans is not expected to know everything his administration does. Therefore, may be the other second mouth of Bush`Anab's (Israel) knows more than does Bushanab himself. To conclude the argument I am more inclined to say Deep Ocean could be right.


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Originally posted by Desert_Sloath
The al-Watan exerpt does not mention 'evacuation' nor 'american' nose pocking into the affairs of the-Hajj.

The contents of whose fails to confirm Deep Ocean's statement of specifications of evactuations

.... To conclude the argument I am more inclined to say Deep Ocean could be right.



Nice. Deep Ocean makes a claim, then the evidence he provides fails to support the claim. Evidence to the contrary of the claim is presented, yet you choose to be "inclined to say Deep Ocean could be right."

Could be. But more likely wrong.

Originally posted by Wanderer

Evidence to the contrary of the claim is presented, yet you choose to be "inclined to say Deep Ocean could be right."

Could be. But more likely wrong. [/B]

Further more, It is not hard to establish American interference in other countries affairs, though I very well understand Deep Oceans conerned, I do not rule out the possibility neither you do, Hans Vanderer.

In fact I have sighted other sources where it is proved that the Americans have offered to evacuate muslims from 4 days not 5 after the Hajj.

Oh, what a shame that America should direct interfere with our, muslims, affairs. This is a disgusting move which will not please us all to see a predominantly Zionist advised administration medling in our affairs. I strongly believe there is a red line for American administration involvement in our affairs. That must be respected.

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But ask what have you done for your country

' have a test drive on Peugeot or BMW '

Originally posted by Desert_Sloath
In fact I have sighted other sources where it is proved that the Americans have offered to evacuate muslims from 4 days not 5 after the Hajj.

Before or AFTER inhaling paint fumes ?

By all means take this opportunity to post links.

Evilo, thanks but that’s not the one I read, the one I actually read in al-watan and Oman news papers was the first comment given in the Arabic Sabla, which I have posted before, for a reason or another, I cant post the link here, because it would take you straight to the al-watan news paper and not to the specific like, however, im sorry that Desert Sloath got the wrong article because this is what is read

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Which is basically the title of this thread.

Desert_Slouth, I argue you to read the Arabic thread posted in this thread. Thanks.

The reason for this came because they want the air clear to hit Iraq then don’t want any planes facing them on their war aginst Iraq.


And this is what came in the articl :

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What’s annoying Mr Wanderer, that some Muslims from all over the world work so hard “those who cant really afford it” to go there and spend all their precious time praying to their lord. How would you feel, if someone ordered you to leave your place, which you always dreamt of coming to after working so hard to get there, and you cant even enjoy it the way you like?



You certainly have missed my point!
After all I would not blame you, you have no idea what’s it like to just be there.

Originally posted by Deep Ocean

What’s annoying Mr Wanderer, that some Muslims from all over the world work so hard “those who cant really afford it” to go there and spend all their precious time praying to their lord. How would you feel, if someone ordered you to leave your place, which you always dreamt of coming to after working so hard to get there, and you cant even enjoy it the way you like?


You certainly have missed my point!

After all I would not blame you, you have no idea what’s it like to just be there.

No, I certainly understand that it would be extremely disappointing to finally make the Haj, then be rushed away during and after what should be a wonderful spiritual experience.
It's like being interrupted while having sex (with a woman) in a little hidden room in a Christian Chruch.

It is not surprising that I "missed" a point you failed to make - the hardship on the poor travelers, as you focused on how "the people are even forced to leave the holly place because it’s a direct command from the American Government".

Show me where the US government is calling the shots !!

You have no idea what it would be like for me to be there either.

arabs want peace

Originally posted by Wanderer


Show me where the US government is calling the shots !!

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Refer to the site of the particular quote at Omania . net as given by Evilio. The source was a western diplomat, in Dubai, speaking on anonimously terms as they always do when they want to cause public havoc.

Don't you know these tactics Hans Vanderer ? A deliberate leak on media to pave a political intent ? I wonder !!!

Just obtain a copy of the appropriate al-Watan and read. A lead for you on the subject is at al-Omania it won't be hard to trace the origin of the source of the information mentioned here at the Sablah.

You also don't have to disclose, here, your sex activities in your church with your priests. We have heard of that before and we do sympathise with the parent of the molested boys, aparently such revelation here is irrelevant. I urge you to seek another platform to place your protest.

I don't see the reason for you to be frustrated, when the source of instability is your own very administration at the so called White House or Capitol and Bent-a-Gone.


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DEAR ALL

THERE IS AGUY CALLED WANDERER
HE IS ONE OF THE CRAZY COW BOYS
YOU KNOW WHO ARE THE COW BOYS , THE DIRTYEST PEOPLE THIS EARTH HAS EVER HAD ,
KILLERS( THEY PROVED MANY TIMES)

JUST PLEASE IGNORE HIM

Originally posted by desert sailor

THERE IS AGUY CALLED WANDERER
HE IS ONE OF THE CRAZY COW BOYS
YOU KNOW WHO ARE THE COW BOYS , THE DIRTYEST PEOPLE THIS EARTH HAS EVER HAD ,
KILLERS( THEY PROVED MANY TIMES)


That doesn't rhyme at all !!!!

... and all CAPS, how lame.

Originally posted by Wanderer
That doesn't rhyme at all !!!!

... and all CAPS, how lame.


:weep:


you make me cry

Deep Ocean

The link you have provided is in Arabic. I would like to request every one , when you refer any thing in English Sabla, preferably it should be in English. It is a shame for the Muslim that they have sold out them to Non Muslim for their vested interest. A little spark can set fire. You the Sabla member please uphold the sprit and ignore the unethical propaganda. Hope you will provide authentic source of information in English.
Regards