Don't jump to judgement when your hear Americans or British condemn someone. They, the British and Americans, are not fools. They always know where they are supposed to place the next step, lest they fall into a ditch.

I have been hearing different comments both on the media and even here in our most respectable Sablah, claiming how wrong The DEMOCRATIC Republich of North Korea has been. To provoke the mIGHTY sUPER pOWER uNITED sTATES of America. By it's recent decision to chase out the Atomic Energy Inspectors.

To my humble understanding it is His Excellency President Bush who is a culprit by :

1st - dis-honoring his country's commitment towards The DEMOCRATIC Republic of North Korea.

2nd - stretching his muscles by declaring that the North Korea are access of evil including Iraq and Iran. But not only that His Excellency went further to accuse the Kingdom of the Saudi Arabia that members of the Royal Family, there, have been supporting al-Qaeda.

I think it is His Excellency the president of united states of america mr bush who is a culprit and owes the entire world an apology for making public lies and stirring tranquil waters.


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Originally posted by Desert_Sloath

I think it is His Excellency the president of united states of america mr bush who is a culprit and owes the entire world an apology for making public lies and stirring tranquil waters.


An apology Desert_Sloath ?? these guys don’t have it in their dictionary .You see they believe that we are being oppressed and under pressure by our leaders and Yet they are the ones who need to practice democracy and to mind their own business.

Who gave the USA the authority to act as the Father figure and set it rules and regulations for other countries?

Originally posted by Dark Project

Who gave the USA the authority to act as the Father figure and set it rules and regulations for other countries? [/B]


You are right they may have no word 'apology' in their foreign relation business but they 'ought to learn it' if they want us not to believe that they are poking their nose into our affairs.

You are again right to think they can father other nations. Don't they know some countries we descent from the heaven with no fathers ?

They can not qualify for fatherly care other than child abuse.


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Perfectly said ... I see what you mean

You two are a class act! ROFL.

Well, I think anyone who actually pays Bush any attention at all without tuning out before the end of his first sentence is either soo amused at his stupidity and lack of public-speaking ability, or are as foolish as he is.

Personally, I havent the time to waste on such idiocy.

Originally posted by Dark Project

Who gave the USA the authority to act as the Father figure and set it rules and regulations for other countries?

They got it by default - the rest of you were acting like children.

So it's your own fault.

Perhaps a great Islamic/Arab leader could take charge.

Which do you nominate ?

has nothing to do with Bush. In 1994 N Korea signed a treaty with US under Clinton - no nuclear program in return for food and oil. They secretly continued their nuclear program and recently announced (quite proudly) that they now have nuclear weapons... and put on quite an act when US said they have broken the treaty so we won't send any more food or oil.

remember, N Korea "bought" this food and oil with a promise that they have broken.

tell me again why US should continue to GIVE N Korea food and oil that goes directly to their army while the civilians (children) starve?

Oh, besides the fact that N Korea is attempting to hold Seoul hostage, they are trying to blackmail US to continue food and oil shipments by threatening to send nuclear bombs to Seoul.

tell me again how kind and gentle N Korea is?

I don't support US military action against N Korea at this time. I am vehemently AGAINST US sending any kind of aid to N Korea in response to this blackmail.

Originally posted by Desert_Sloath
The DEMOCRATIC Republich of North Korea

How is North Korea democratic ?

Originally posted by Wanderer
How is North Korea democratic ?


I think they are very democratic. Because; they have never been registered of throwing nuke to others especially an un-armed people.

Beside over ONE million 'souls' took it on the streets of Pyong Nyang for a 'peaceful' demonstration.

Try it in Washington or Tel Habib and you'll see what I mean, especially with mr bush or his uncle Sherry on leadership seat.

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Originally posted by Desert_Sloath
I think they are very democratic. Because; they have never been registered of throwing nuke to others especially an un-armed people.

N Korea is a one-man dictatorship.

Duh you can't use nukes if you don't got'em. Now that they've got them, let's see what happens.

Originally posted by Desert_Sloath
I think they are very democratic. Because; they have never been registered of throwing nuke to others especially an un-armed people.

This is not a standard definition of Democracy. Is there anyone else here who will defend DS's definition of democracy, or is he just a gold paint huffing Bantu?

By this definition, all countries except the US are democracies - Iraq's recent elections and high voter turnout make it a stellar example. Few sailors and airforce personnel carry weapons, does this mean that they cannot be targeted in war ?


Originally posted by Desert_Sloath

Beside over ONE million 'souls' took it on the streets of Pyong Nyang for a 'peaceful' demonstration.


Well, if that's what it takes to get food rations and avoid assignment to a labor camp, I suppose they would.

Originally posted by Wanderer
They got it by default - the rest of you were acting like children.

So it's your own fault.

Perhaps a great Islamic/Arab leader could take charge.

Which do you nominate ?

I nominate The American Administration and its Backwards media believers citizen,s and as we have learnt and still learn the democracy that you want to implant in the world ...

Oh let me remind you :
was the Americans, after all, who poured resources into the 1980s war against the Soviet-backed regime in Kabul, at a time when girls could go to school and women to work. Bin Laden and his mojahedin were armed and trained by the CIA and MI6, as Afghanistan was turned into a wasteland and its communist leader Najibullah left hanging from a Kabul lamp post with his genitals stuffed in his mouth.
-- Seumas Milne (Guardian 9/13/2001)


Back in May, you gave the Taliban in Afghanistan $48 million dollars of our tax money. No free nation on earth would give them a cent, but you gave them a gift of $48 million because they said they had "banned all drugs."
--Michael Moore ( 9/14/2001).


In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba....
The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military leadership about their civilian leadership, with leaders in the Kennedy administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on communism. At the same time, however, there real were concerns in American society about their military overstepping its bounds.
--ABC ( 5/1/2001).


There are several other painful stories which are now more complete thanks to Bamford, such as the capture of the Pueblo by North Korea in 1968 and the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. The one operation that is the scariest of all, which fortunately was not executed, was Operation Northwoods, drawn up around the end of Eisenhower's administration and the beginning of John F. Kennedy's term in office. The plan was signed by all members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. It called for a series of staged execution of Americans on the streets, bombings in Washington DC, and the sinking of boats full of Cuban refugees. Innocent people would be framed for the crimes with the intention of blaming it all on Fidel Castro to sway the American public to support an invasion of Cuba. Much of this book reads like fiction, but as they say: who could make up this stuff?

What a role model and great People you are dictated by your own Presidents in the name of Democracy ......:gap:

Originally posted by Dark Project

I nominate The American Administration and its Backwards media believers citizen,s and as we have learnt and still learn the democracy that you want to implant in the world ...

Bin Laden and his mojahedin were armed and trained by the CIA and MI6, as Afghanistan was turned into a wasteland and its communist leader Najibullah left hanging from a Kabul lamp post with his genitals stuffed in his mouth.
-- Seumas Milne (Guardian 9/13/2001)


Back in May, you gave the Taliban in Afghanistan $48 million dollars of our tax money. No free nation on earth would give them a cent, but you gave them a gift of $48 million because they said they had "banned all drugs."
--Michael Moore ( 9/14/2001).


In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba....
The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military leadership about their civilian leadership, with leaders in the Kennedy administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on communism. At the same time, however, there real were concerns in American society about their military overstepping its bounds.
--ABC ( 5/1/2001).

What a role model and great People you are dictated by your own Presidents in the name of Democracy ......:gap:


Pyu!!! my, my, my, and the WTC bombing so that we gain support and chaaaaaarge ove the oil field that we have been planing to invade the early 70s.

The Han Vanderer what is the scenario after the giant statue falls in Bagh'daaaaad or bag-Dad ? Tell me my friend. Do you think you can handle the arabs then ?!! Sir,

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Originally posted by Dark Project
Oh let me remind you :

[It] was the Americans, after all, who poured resources into the 1980s war against the Soviet-backed regime in Kabul, ...

you gave the Taliban ... $48 million because they said they had "banned all drugs."

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba....

What a role model and great People you are dictated by your own Presidents in the name of Democracy ...

Let me understand you, you 're complaining because:

a) the US aided the Muslim freedom fighters of Afghanistan against the USSR's invasion

b) because the US paid the government of Afghanistan $48 million to act as a subsidy so that opium growers could afford to grow something else. In effect, we will pay you to learn to grow food or some other cash crop, instead of heroin producing plants.

c) someone wrote a book suggesting that the US government "reportedly drafted plans " some 40 years ago to do bad things . Reportedly ?

In other words, we are bad examples because we tried helping Afghanistan get rid of Soviets and to move away from an opium-based agriculture, and because someone says, without providing evidence, that the US goverment is reported to have drafted plans to do bad things to Cubans around the Cuban Missile Crisis.

You have nothing.

Originally posted by Desert_Sloath
The Han Vanderer what is the scenario after the giant statue falls in Bagh'daaaaad or bag-Dad ? Tell me my friend. Do you think you can handle the arabs then ?!! Sir,



Isn't there a de-throned monarch to be put back in charge of Iraq so that it resembles the rest of the Arab world ?

We here can not make good politicians can we ? We seem to be forgetting the initial topic ! Aah, what brought bag-Dad in this topic i think it was for comparative pursposes was it ? Any way see the bush administration was fearcely attacked by Bill Robertson (?) and today they are retreating from their initial stand. You see bush would just make a good member of the Sablah and not a serious politician. Without further ado, for your interest read : http://daily.webshots.com/content/ap/current/h35835795.html

What our friends in the family of Hans Vanderer would say it remains to be seen.

One thing I like about 'arabs' or sloth rather is when they take a stance they never retreat. If sloth says 'yes' then it is 'yes' and if he says 'no' then it is 'so'.

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Wanderer,
You said "Let me understand you, you 're complaining because"

No no my dear Im not complaining here its your own people who are ... Yes we have our differences I merely stated what your own people and media said or wrote.

nations seek to conquer new lands and increase their territorial domain. Invasions and imminent threats to national security induce wars of self-defense.

The Bush administration has shaped US foreign policy and forced the war machine into gear. But why Iraq and why now? The USA has no territorial designs on Iraq, nor is this country or dictator a direct threat to American soil or American citizens. Iraq holds the world's second largest oil reserves, behind only Saudi Arabia. And if Iraq is "liberated"; it is reported that US interests would command 70% of Iraq's vast oil reserves. It is obvious to even the casual observer that the motive driving the US to war is oil. This is not a new idea or concept at all. But who exactly is behind this sinister plot and what is their objective.

Carlyle Group This powerhouse international consulting and investment group was founded in 1987. Board members include the likes of Frank Carlucci, George Bush, John Major, James Baker. Its corporate offspring include defense contractors like United Defense (cruise missile launch systems) and oil companies like Unocal (building a pipeline in Afghanistan). Carlyle was under scrutiny after 9-11 when it was revealed that the Bin Laden family (not Osama per se) was heavily invested in the firm. Carlyle investors and partners directly benefit from any US military intervention, and even more so from a prolonged engagement. Heavily invested in petroleum exploration, recovery and transportation the Carlyle group has the unique position of funding both the extraction of oil and guaranteeing access to the oil reserves.

Skull & Bones Society - Those on the inside know it as The Order. Others have known it since 1832 as Chapter 322 of a German secret society. It was also once known as the "Brotherhood of Death". Those who make light of it, or want to make fun of it, call it 'Skull & Bones', or just plain 'Bones'. Membership consists of the elite of American aristocracy and membership is restricted to family lines like Whitney, Perkins, Stimson, Taft, Wadsworth, Payne, Pillsbury, Weyerhaeuser, Harriman, Rockefeller, Lord, Brown, Bush and Phelps .Four US Presidents have been Bonesmen as well as CIA directors, Defense Secretaries, Secretaries of State, Ambassadors, CIA and FBI agents, Senators, powerful bankers and many more.
Quite a few members of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), which creates US foreign policy, can be counted as Bonesmen. A true secret society based up the German Illuminati, the true intentions of The Order remain a mystery. One thing can be known for sure though, their power runs deep and their grasp is very wide across America and the world.

Trilateral Commission The Trilateral Commission was established in 1973. Its founder was international financier, David Rockefeller, chairman of the Rockefeller family-controlled Chase Manhattan Bank and undisputed overlord of his family's global corporate empire. The Trilateral Commission has aligned the business interests of Europe, America and Japan together. The TC carries out the agenda of the Council on Foreign Relations. The CFR was founded in 1921 and its goal since then has been to erase national boundaries in favor of a vast worldwide government. The same wealthy men and families running the Carlyle Group and Skull & Bones can also be found within the Trilateral Commission. Congressmen Larry P. McDonald said it best himself; "The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government of supercapitalism .
Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

When the majority of the world's power and wealth is consolidated in the hands of such a select few the outcome does not seem optimistic. The men behind the defense contractors, banking cartels, petroleum corporations and foreign policy groups can wield the world's largest military force at their will to increase their own control over the world's resources. The corporate interests of these men and their multinational corporations motivate the impending war in Iraq.

Wanderer the statement says it all :
""We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money." Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs

You have nothing my dear !!

Originally posted by Dark Project

Invasions and imminent threats to national security induce wars of self-defense.

The Bush administration has shaped US foreign policy and forced the war machine into gear. But why Iraq and why now? The USA has no territorial designs on Iraq, nor is this country or dictator a direct threat to American soil or American citizens. Iraq holds the world's second largest oil reserves, behind only Saudi Arabia. And if Iraq is "liberated"; it is reported that US interests would command 70% of Iraq's vast oil reserves.

It is obvious to even the casual observer that the motive driving the US to war is oil.

I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

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Mmm ! no wonder why Hans Vanderer calls 'arabs & muslims' "chickens". This revelation renders the Cosa Nostra "chickens" too in their plans to control the wealth of America in the Services of Italy or the Community in recent history. So, here we see existance of a phamtom mafia in the Capitalist system dated way back before the so called struggle for independence of the United States itself.

It is very interesting to see that a certain John Major is part of the "Brotherhood of Death Society". I hope he is not the former British Prime Minister ? Could we have a clarification here ?

Is the Unocal operating in Afghanistan or a little bit up in the North Eastern of the country ?

I only wish I could change my nickname to "chicken" instead of sloth.

Very good topic here, and very interesting to see also that there are those amongst 'us' I mean 'we' indoctrinated to believe "there is no such a thing as conspiracy". This revelation is too good to be a fallacy. How many of those members in the Skull & Bones are Zionists ? This is a club that they can not miss to join. I suppose to some extent the whole world could qualify to be "chickens" if the destiny is controlled by this "Brotherhood".

True. Hans Vanderer has nothing, not even foot to stand against the truth.

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:) Mr. Desret -Sloth.

Facts that is my dear indeed facts ....

Originally posted by Dark Project
...Im not complaining here its your own people who are ... I merely stated what your own people and media said or wrote.

So you're saying that these things you've posted are lies ?

What would be the point of that ?

Originally posted by Dark Project

You have nothing my dear !!

Really ! I'm not the one reduced to uncited, cut and paste, plagiarizing from www.ciagents.com, in violation of Sabla rules.

It might mean more if you were writing any of this conspiracy theory crap.

What you posted was: Black Gold & Blood Money, By (a writer using the name) Hiram Abiff. I found it at the Counter Illuminati Agency (CIA) - a conspiracy theory archive.

Hiram Abiff, it should be noted, is a well known name in Freemason mythology.

Quake Haiku


- Great arcs of kool-aid
- Coat this place. Don't recall heads
- In the mix, though. Neat.

---- mothman a.k.a. widowson a.k.a. hiram abiff

Mothman ?????

The Mass As Sacred Mystery Drama

The mysteries in the pre-Christian era were elaborately devised ritual dramas contrived to intensify the spiritual transformation of the initiate. They were usually patterned after the mythic life, death, and resurrection of a particular deity to whom the mystery was dedicated. The candidate was usually made to symbolically undergo certain events in the life story of the hero. This is still evident in the initiation rituals of Freemasonry, particularly in the sublime degree of Master Mason, where the candidate undergoes the death and rising again of the Masonic hero Hiram Abiff.



DarkProject, why are you posting an unacknowledged/uncited article written by man using a name from Freemason lore from an avowed conspiracy site ???

Have you also already plagiarized "BIG BROTHER IS BROADCASTING", By Hiram Abiff ??


I mean, using a snip here or there is pretty harmless, but to cut and paste an entire article from a conspiracy website and then have the nerve to say I have nothing !!! :eek:

You should be a laughingstock.

Apparently you have nothing.

hmm..... "you got nothing" is that a new game over here :rolleyes: ....well....its been interesting so far....you guys carry on....but remember you can always use the "report post to moderator" ...just incase...you dis-liked something said against you.

...Im not complaining here its your own people who are ... I merely stated what your own people and media said or wrote.

Read this statement........

Originally posted by Dark Project
...Im not complaining here its your own people who are ... I merely stated what your own people and media said or wrote.


Then it must be all lies and disinformation, right, as so many here have accused the western media of being controlled by the Zionists ?

Which is it? Can we trust western media sources or not ?

Really, DP, first you actually complain that the US has helped Muslims, based on stories written by the (untrustworthy) "western" media, then claim that it's somehow the voice of the people, ignoring perhaps that that is a right we have over here - dissention, and the bubbleheads you cite frequently dissent - Michael Moore indeed ! But then you post an entire article from a conspiracy web site and fail to credit the author or in any way set the material to indicate that it isn't yours.

Originally posted by Wanderer
Really ! I'm not the one reduced to uncited, cut and paste, plagiarizing from www.ciagents.com, in violation of Sabla rules.

It might mean more if you were writing any of this conspiracy theory crap.

What you posted was: Black Gold & Blood Money, By (a writer using the name) Hiram Abiff. I found it at the Counter Illuminati Agency (CIA) - a conspiracy theory archive.

Hiram Abiff, it should be noted, is a well known name in Freemason mythology.

Hans Vanderer

The above link is unaccessible. Could you give us the correct one please.

And does your waffling here mean that you do not believe in the 'prevaling of conspiracy ?'. Bully nations do practice conspiracy over nations they want to manipulate.

In fact there a centers / institutes of 'conspiracy'. May be the sign board has changed.

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The link works now, DS. Sorry, there was a misplaced comma in the URL.

I don't recall placing it there.

Maybe someone else did.

Someone evil.

But there was no evidence of an edit to the URL.

Therefore that someone must have had help.

Help from a Sabla moderator with Admin rights.

A certain someone and a Sabla moderator conspiring against me ?

Why didn't I see this sooner ?

Maybe I should post my theory on another website ?

Originally posted by Wanderer

Someone evil.

A certain someone and a Sabla moderator conspiring against me ?

Maybe I should post my theory on another website ? [/B]


No !! don't quit and join a different website. It'll look as if you are running and defeated to prove your points.

Certainly it must be evil "SoMe1" with a help of another "SoMebody". It does go that way to accomplish a 'conspiracy' otherwise it would be called a different name than conspiracy.

I am told Mr Bush is waiting for a second term in office. Once that is confirmed the sMALL Big-Brother (sbb-{cia}) will have it his turn for failing to carry his duty properly over that biiiiig incident. Once the experimental officer of home something is substantial the sbb is going inside the dock to answer a couple of questions. But won't be before 2004 :D:


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Originally posted by Desert_Sloath
It'll look as if you are running and defeated to prove your points.


If it ever looks like I'm running away defeated, you're certainly misunderstanding the situation ;)

Originally posted by MoonChild


They secretly continued their nuclear program

US said they have broken the treaty so we won't send any more food or oil.

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Regarding secretly continuing their nuclear program. Where have the IAE's inspectors been or what their surveillance cameras have been doing.

You are right this is not the first time US abrogates treaty with other nations. They did it with Put-in's government on SALT II and Kyoto with the world community.

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Originally posted by Desert_Sloath
You are right this is not the first time US abrogates treaty with other nations. They did it with Put-in's government on SALT II and Kyoto with the world community.



SALT II became null and void when THE UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS ceased to exist.

I don't believe the US ever signed on to the Kyoto.

"More than 15,000 scientists, two-thirds with advanced academic degrees, have now signed a Petition against the climate accord concluded in Kyoto (Japan) in December 1997. The Petition (see text below) urges the US government to reject the Accord, which would force drastic cuts in energy use on the United States. This is in line with the Senate Resolution, approved by a 95-to-0 vote last July, which turns down any international agreement that damages the economy of the United States while exempting most of the world's nations, including such major emerging economic powers as China, India, and Brazil."

source:http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=50

But thanks for playing, DS.